As a test of Djigzo (and because some of our mail
recipients use public, Web-based mail like Yahoo
Mail and Gmail), I've created a Djigzo user (me)
with a Gmail account. In the user's Djigzo
profile, I created the Subject trigger "test". I
sent a message to me(a)gmail.com with the
subject "test". What I received was an email
with no message, but an attachment labelled
smime.p7m. The only option I have is to download
it, but don't have any idea what the DL is or how
to open it. BTW, I have the FireGPG plugin
installed on my copy of Firefox, and it does work
with Gmail.
Dimitri
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When a message is encrypted with S/MIME the complete message (including
all attachments) is converted to an attachment with name smime.p7m. You
need a S/MIME capable email client to read the message. There is a GMail
add-on available which can be used with Firefox
You need to import the pfx into Firefox. See
http://www.djigzo.com/help/import_pfx_gmail.html for instructions on how
to use the GMail S/MIME add-on with Firefox.
If you open the email from GMail with Outlook or any other S/MIME
capable client the message will be automatically decrypted.
Kind regards,
Martijn
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
···
As a test of Djigzo (and because some of our mail
recipients use public, Web-based mail like Yahoo
Mail and Gmail), I've created a Djigzo user (me)
with a Gmail account. In the user's Djigzo
profile, I created the Subject trigger "test". I
sent a message to me(a)gmail.com with the
subject "test". What I received was an email
with no message, but an attachment labelled
smime.p7m. The only option I have is to download
it, but don't have any idea what the DL is or how
to open it. BTW, I have the FireGPG plugin
installed on my copy of Firefox, and it does work
with Gmail.
Dimitri
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Hey, Martijn!
Boy, am I keeping you busy! Thanks for the Gmail
How-to.
When I created the Djigzo account me(a)gmail.com, I
had the cert mailed there, and it arrives without
any body text and only an attachment also named
smime.p7m. What am I doing wrong?
Dimitri
···
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:28:01 am you wrote:
When a message is encrypted with S/MIME the
complete message (including all attachments) is
converted to an attachment with name smime.p7m.
You need a S/MIME capable email client to read
the message. There is a GMail add-on available
which can be used with Firefox
You need to import the pfx into Firefox. See
http://www.djigzo.com/help/import_pfx_gmail.htm
l for instructions on how to use the GMail
S/MIME add-on with Firefox.
If you open the email from GMail with Outlook
or any other S/MIME capable client the message
will be automatically decrypted.
Kind regards,
Martijn
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
> As a test of Djigzo (and because some of our
> mail recipients use public, Web-based mail
> like Yahoo Mail and Gmail), I've created a
> Djigzo user (me) with a Gmail account. In
> the user's Djigzo profile, I created the
> Subject trigger "test". I sent a message to
> me(a)gmail.com with the subject "test". What I
> received was an email with no message, but an
> attachment labelled smime.p7m. The only
> option I have is to download it, but don't
> have any idea what the DL is or how to open
> it. BTW, I have the FireGPG plugin installed
> on my copy of Firefox, and it does work with
> Gmail.
>
> Dimitri
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Boy, am I keeping you busy! Thanks for the Gmail
How-to.
no problem
When I created the Djigzo account me(a)gmail.com, I
had the cert mailed there, and it arrives without
any body text and only an attachment also named
smime.p7m. What am I doing wrong?
That's because you should disable encryption for the CA sender. What
happens is that the email gets sent by the CA sender (which you have
specified in the CA settings). Because by default encryption is enabled
AND a valid certificate is found the email with the pfx gets encrypted.
Even though this is explained on page 30 in the administration guide I
should explain this a bit better. Perhaps I can ask the user when the CA
sender is setup whether encryption should be disabled for the CA sender.
Page 30:
"..You should make sure that the CA email address is a valid email
address. Because the email containing the encrypted certificate is sent
by Djigzo you should make sure that the settings for the CA email user
are such that the email is not encrypted by Djigzo (i.e. set encrypt
mode of the CA user to "No Encryption")."
Kind regards,
Martijn Brinkers
···
Dimitri
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:28:01 am you wrote:
When a message is encrypted with S/MIME the
complete message (including all attachments) is
converted to an attachment with name smime.p7m.
You need a S/MIME capable email client to read
the message. There is a GMail add-on available
which can be used with Firefox
You need to import the pfx into Firefox. See
http://www.djigzo.com/help/import_pfx_gmail.htm
l for instructions on how to use the GMail
S/MIME add-on with Firefox.
If you open the email from GMail with Outlook
or any other S/MIME capable client the message
will be automatically decrypted.
Kind regards,
Martijn
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
As a test of Djigzo (and because some of our
mail recipients use public, Web-based mail
like Yahoo Mail and Gmail), I've created a
Djigzo user (me) with a Gmail account. In
the user's Djigzo profile, I created the
Subject trigger "test". I sent a message to
me(a)gmail.com with the subject "test". What I
received was an email with no message, but an
attachment labelled smime.p7m. The only
option I have is to download it, but don't
have any idea what the DL is or how to open
it. BTW, I have the FireGPG plugin installed
on my copy of Firefox, and it does work with
Gmail.
Dimitri
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OK, I temporarily set Encrypt Mode to "No
Encryption, and sent the cert to me(a)gmail. I
installed the Gmail S/MIME pluin in Firefox. I
followed the Gmail How-to. Then I sent an email
with the subject trigger "test" from me(a)work.com
to me(a)gmail.com, When the mail arrives at gmail,
and I click on it, I get a JavaScript Application
error - "warning: unexpected msg classname:
X0uMP" . Click OK, then get a much longer
JavaScript Application error stating that the
email contains a different certificate than I
have on file for me(a)work.com. It asks me to get
rid of the one I have on file and replace it
using Gmail S/MIME. After I click OK, I see my
message decrypted.
As a side note Gmail S/MIME reports that it
doesn't support digital signature verification.
Dimitri
···
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:57:51 am Martijn Brinkers wrote:
> Boy, am I keeping you busy! Thanks for the
> Gmail How-to.
>
no problem
:
> When I created the Djigzo account
> me(a)gmail.com, I had the cert mailed there,
> and it arrives without any body text and only
> an attachment also named smime.p7m. What am
> I doing wrong?
That's because you should disable encryption
for the CA sender. What happens is that the
email gets sent by the CA sender (which you
have specified in the CA settings). Because by
default encryption is enabled AND a valid
certificate is found the email with the pfx
gets encrypted.
Even though this is explained on page 30 in the
administration guide I should explain this a
bit better. Perhaps I can ask the user when the
CA sender is setup whether encryption should be
disabled for the CA sender.
Page 30:
"..You should make sure that the CA email
address is a valid email address. Because the
email containing the encrypted certificate is
sent by Djigzo you should make sure that the
settings for the CA email user are such that
the email is not encrypted by Djigzo (i.e. set
encrypt mode of the CA user to "No
Encryption")."
Kind regards,
Martijn Brinkers
> Dimitri
>
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:28:01 am you wrote:
>> When a message is encrypted with S/MIME the
>> complete message (including all attachments)
>> is converted to an attachment with name
>> smime.p7m. You need a S/MIME capable email
>> client to read the message. There is a GMail
>> add-on available which can be used with
>> Firefox
>>
>> You need to import the pfx into Firefox. See
>> http://www.djigzo.com/help/import_pfx_gmail.
>>htm l for instructions on how to use the
>> GMail S/MIME add-on with Firefox.
>>
>> If you open the email from GMail with
>> Outlook or any other S/MIME capable client
>> the message will be automatically decrypted.
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Martijn
>>
>> Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
>>> As a test of Djigzo (and because some of
>>> our mail recipients use public, Web-based
>>> mail like Yahoo Mail and Gmail), I've
>>> created a Djigzo user (me) with a Gmail
>>> account. In the user's Djigzo profile, I
>>> created the Subject trigger "test". I sent
>>> a message to me(a)gmail.com with the subject
>>> "test". What I received was an email with
>>> no message, but an attachment labelled
>>> smime.p7m. The only option I have is to
>>> download it, but don't have any idea what
>>> the DL is or how to open it. BTW, I have
>>> the FireGPG plugin installed on my copy of
>>> Firefox, and it does work with Gmail.
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>
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I'll will check the GMail add-on. They have just released a new version.
Martijn
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
···
OK, I temporarily set Encrypt Mode to "No
Encryption, and sent the cert to me(a)gmail. I
installed the Gmail S/MIME pluin in Firefox. I
followed the Gmail How-to. Then I sent an email
with the subject trigger "test" from me(a)work.com
to me(a)gmail.com, When the mail arrives at gmail,
and I click on it, I get a JavaScript Application
error - "warning: unexpected msg classname:
X0uMP" . Click OK, then get a much longer
JavaScript Application error stating that the
email contains a different certificate than I
have on file for me(a)work.com. It asks me to get
rid of the one I have on file and replace it
using Gmail S/MIME. After I click OK, I see my
message decrypted.
As a side note Gmail S/MIME reports that it
doesn't support digital signature verification.
Dimitri
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:57:51 am Martijn > Brinkers wrote:
Boy, am I keeping you busy! Thanks for the
Gmail How-to.
no problem
:
When I created the Djigzo account
me(a)gmail.com, I had the cert mailed there,
and it arrives without any body text and only
an attachment also named smime.p7m. What am
I doing wrong?
That's because you should disable encryption
for the CA sender. What happens is that the
email gets sent by the CA sender (which you
have specified in the CA settings). Because by
default encryption is enabled AND a valid
certificate is found the email with the pfx
gets encrypted.
Even though this is explained on page 30 in the
administration guide I should explain this a
bit better. Perhaps I can ask the user when the
CA sender is setup whether encryption should be
disabled for the CA sender.
Page 30:
"..You should make sure that the CA email
address is a valid email address. Because the
email containing the encrypted certificate is
sent by Djigzo you should make sure that the
settings for the CA email user are such that
the email is not encrypted by Djigzo (i.e. set
encrypt mode of the CA user to "No
Encryption")."
Kind regards,
Martijn Brinkers
Dimitri
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:28:01 am you wrote:
When a message is encrypted with S/MIME the
complete message (including all attachments)
is converted to an attachment with name
smime.p7m. You need a S/MIME capable email
client to read the message. There is a GMail
add-on available which can be used with
Firefox
You need to import the pfx into Firefox. See
http://www.djigzo.com/help/import_pfx_gmail.
htm l for instructions on how to use the
GMail S/MIME add-on with Firefox.
If you open the email from GMail with
Outlook or any other S/MIME capable client
the message will be automatically decrypted.
Kind regards,
Martijn
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
As a test of Djigzo (and because some of
our mail recipients use public, Web-based
mail like Yahoo Mail and Gmail), I've
created a Djigzo user (me) with a Gmail
account. In the user's Djigzo profile, I
created the Subject trigger "test". I sent
a message to me(a)gmail.com with the subject
"test". What I received was an email with
no message, but an attachment labelled
smime.p7m. The only option I have is to
download it, but don't have any idea what
the DL is or how to open it. BTW, I have
the FireGPG plugin installed on my copy of
Firefox, and it does work with Gmail.
Dimitri
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Thanks, Martijn.
I installed the latest version.
Dimitri
PS - More tomorrow on receiving encrypted mail in
Kmail (oh, boy ).
···
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 3:02:43 pm Martijn Brinkers wrote:
I'll will check the GMail add-on. They have
just released a new version.
Martijn
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
> OK, I temporarily set Encrypt Mode to "No
> Encryption, and sent the cert to me(a)gmail. I
> installed the Gmail S/MIME pluin in Firefox.
> I followed the Gmail How-to. Then I sent an
> email with the subject trigger "test" from
> me(a)work.com to me(a)gmail.com, When the mail
> arrives at gmail, and I click on it, I get a
> JavaScript Application error - "warning:
> unexpected msg classname: X0uMP" . Click OK,
> then get a much longer JavaScript Application
> error stating that the email contains a
> different certificate than I have on file for
> me(a)work.com. It asks me to get rid of the
> one I have on file and replace it using Gmail
> S/MIME. After I click OK, I see my message
> decrypted.
>
> As a side note Gmail S/MIME reports that it
> doesn't support digital signature
> verification.
>
> Dimitri
>
>
> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:57:51 am Martijn > > > > Brinkers wrote:
>>> Boy, am I keeping you busy! Thanks for the
>>> Gmail How-to.
>>>
>> no problem
>>>
>>> When I created the Djigzo account
>>> me(a)gmail.com, I had the cert mailed there,
>>> and it arrives without any body text and
>>> only an attachment also named smime.p7m.
>>> What am I doing wrong?
>>
>> That's because you should disable encryption
>> for the CA sender. What happens is that the
>> email gets sent by the CA sender (which you
>> have specified in the CA settings). Because
>> by default encryption is enabled AND a valid
>> certificate is found the email with the pfx
>> gets encrypted.
>>
>> Even though this is explained on page 30 in
>> the administration guide I should explain
>> this a bit better. Perhaps I can ask the
>> user when the CA sender is setup whether
>> encryption should be disabled for the CA
>> sender.
>>
>> Page 30:
>>
>> "..You should make sure that the CA email
>> address is a valid email address. Because
>> the email containing the encrypted
>> certificate is sent by Djigzo you should
>> make sure that the settings for the CA email
>> user are such that the email is not
>> encrypted by Djigzo (i.e. set encrypt mode
>> of the CA user to "No
>> Encryption")."
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Martijn Brinkers
>>
>>> Dimitri
>>>
>>> On Tuesday 23 June 2009 11:28:01 am you wrote:
>>>> When a message is encrypted with S/MIME
>>>> the complete message (including all
>>>> attachments) is converted to an attachment
>>>> with name smime.p7m. You need a S/MIME
>>>> capable email client to read the message.
>>>> There is a GMail add-on available which
>>>> can be used with Firefox
>>>>
>>>> You need to import the pfx into Firefox.
>>>> See
>>>> http://www.djigzo.com/help/import_pfx_gmai
>>>>l. htm l for instructions on how to use the
>>>> GMail S/MIME add-on with Firefox.
>>>>
>>>> If you open the email from GMail with
>>>> Outlook or any other S/MIME capable client
>>>> the message will be automatically
>>>> decrypted.
>>>>
>>>> Kind regards,
>>>>
>>>> Martijn
>>>>
>>>> Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
>>>>> As a test of Djigzo (and because some of
>>>>> our mail recipients use public, Web-based
>>>>> mail like Yahoo Mail and Gmail), I've
>>>>> created a Djigzo user (me) with a Gmail
>>>>> account. In the user's Djigzo profile, I
>>>>> created the Subject trigger "test". I
>>>>> sent a message to me(a)gmail.com with the
>>>>> subject "test". What I received was an
>>>>> email with no message, but an attachment
>>>>> labelled smime.p7m. The only option I
>>>>> have is to download it, but don't have
>>>>> any idea what the DL is or how to open
>>>>> it. BTW, I have the FireGPG plugin
>>>>> installed on my copy of Firefox, and it
>>>>> does work with Gmail.
>>>>>
>>>>> Dimitri
>>>>
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Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
OK, I temporarily set Encrypt Mode to "No
Encryption, and sent the cert to me(a)gmail. I
It's better to set "Encrypt mode" for the CA sender email address to no
encryption and leave it like this. The CA sender should be an email
address which you normally only use for sending the email with the
password protected pfx. Because the pfx is already encrypted with a
password and the user must be able to open the message with the pfx the
message with the pfx should not be S/MIME encrypted.
Kind regards,
Martijn
Martijn,
The Encrypt Mode default for each new user
is "Allow". So, I should change that to "No
Encryption" each time I set up a new user?
On another front, I sent an encrypted message from
me(a)gamil.com to me(a)work.com. I get the message,
but Kmail said it was encrypted. When I clicked
on "decrypt Message", I got the following:
Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
Reason: No secret key
Isn't Djigzo supposed to automatically decrypt
messages for internal users?
Dimitri
···
On Tuesday 23 June 2009 3:45:15 pm Martijn Brinkers wrote:
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
> OK, I temporarily set Encrypt Mode to "No
> Encryption, and sent the cert to me(a)gmail. I
It's better to set "Encrypt mode" for the CA
sender email address to no encryption and leave
it like this. The CA sender should be an email
address which you normally only use for sending
the email with the password protected pfx.
Because the pfx is already encrypted with a
password and the user must be able to open the
message with the pfx the message with the pfx
should not be S/MIME encrypted.
Kind regards,
Martijn
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Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
The Encrypt Mode default for each new user
is "Allow". So, I should change that to "No
Encryption" each time I set up a new user?
The settings are hierarchical. You have the system settings, global
settings, wild-card domain settings (*.example.com) domain settings and
user settings. Lower levels inherit from higher levels if a setting is
not explicitly set. You can override the inherited value by unchecking
the "inherit" checkbox for the specific setting.
In your case you should set "Encrypt mode" to allow for the global
settings (which is the default) and explicitly set it to "No encryption"
ONLY for the CA sender (the email address of the CA). Doing so assures
you that the email with the pfx is not S/MIME encrypted.
On another front, I sent an encrypted message from
me(a)gamil.com to me(a)work.com. I get the message,
but Kmail said it was encrypted. When I clicked
on "decrypt Message", I got the following:
Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
Reason: No secret key
Isn't Djigzo supposed to automatically decrypt
messages for internal users?
Are you sure that the domain work.com (or the user me(a)work.com) is an
internal user. Only for users that are internal users is email
decrypted. Email to internal users is decrypted and email to external
users is encrypted.
Martijn
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Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
On another front, I sent an encrypted message from
me(a)gamil.com to me(a)work.com. I get the message,
but Kmail said it was encrypted. When I clicked
on "decrypt Message", I got the following:
Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
Reason: No secret key
Isn't Djigzo supposed to automatically decrypt
messages for internal users?
The MPA log tells you how the message has been handled by Djigzo. For
example "INFO incoming" shows that the message is for an internal user
whereas "INFO external" shows you that the message is for an internal user.
If the message could not be decrypted because Djigzo did not find a
suitable private key to decrypt the message with you'll get the
following warning in the MPA log:
"WARN A decryption key for the message could not be found."
The logs tells you what happens.
Kind regards,
Martijn
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Martijn,
In Settings | Edit Global preferences, I set
Encrypt Mode to "No Encryption". That should
take care of the CA sender issue, right?
Both the domain, and me(a)work.com, are internal
users.
Best,
Dimitri
···
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 9:39:30 am Martijn Brinkers wrote:
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
> The Encrypt Mode default for each new user
> is "Allow". So, I should change that to "No
> Encryption" each time I set up a new user?
The settings are hierarchical. You have the
system settings, global settings, wild-card
domain settings (*.example.com) domain settings
and user settings. Lower levels inherit from
higher levels if a setting is not explicitly
set. You can override the inherited value by
unchecking the "inherit" checkbox for the
specific setting.
In your case you should set "Encrypt mode" to
allow for the global settings (which is the
default) and explicitly set it to "No
encryption" ONLY for the CA sender (the email
address of the CA). Doing so assures you that
the email with the pfx is not S/MIME encrypted.
> On another front, I sent an encrypted message
> from me(a)gamil.com to me(a)work.com. I get the
> message, but Kmail said it was encrypted.
> When I clicked on "decrypt Message", I got
> the following:
>
> Encrypted message (decryption not possible)
> Reason: No secret key
>
> Isn't Djigzo supposed to automatically
> decrypt messages for internal users?
Are you sure that the domain work.com (or the
user me(a)work.com) is an internal user. Only for
users that are internal users is email
decrypted. Email to internal users is decrypted
and email to external users is encrypted.
Martijn
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Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
In Settings | Edit Global preferences, I set
Encrypt Mode to "No Encryption". That should
take care of the CA sender issue, right?
Yes. But in that case all outgoing email will not be encrypted by
default so you need to either override the Encrypt mode setting /
recipient or domain or use a "Subject trigger".
Both the domain, and me(a)work.com, are internal
users.
Can you send me some relevant lines of the MPA log?
Martijn
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Hmmm, nothing in the MPA log about my message. I
guess I 1) have to set sendmail to forward mail
to Djigzo, and; 2) tell Kmail to receive mail
from Djigzo. Sound right?
···
On Wednesday 24 June 2009 10:14:50 am Martijn Brinkers wrote:
Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
> In Settings | Edit Global preferences, I set
> Encrypt Mode to "No Encryption". That should
> take care of the CA sender issue, right?
Yes. But in that case all outgoing email will
not be encrypted by default so you need to
either override the Encrypt mode setting /
recipient or domain or use a "Subject trigger".
> Both the domain, and me(a)work.com, are
> internal users.
Can you send me some relevant lines of the MPA
log?
Martijn
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Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
Hmmm, nothing in the MPA log about my message. I
guess I 1) have to set sendmail to forward mail
to Djigzo, and; 2) tell Kmail to receive mail
from Djigzo. Sound right?
Djigzo is an MTA and does not have a POP3/IMAP server installed. You
therefore cannot receive email with KMail from Djigzo. You should tell
Djigzo that mail for your internal domains are delivered to your mail
server that handles your POP/IMAP accounts (probably your sendmail
server). In the MTA settings you must specify the "Internal relay host".
This should point to the mail server that handles your mail boxes.
If you want your KMail to send mail through Djigzo you can either tell
KMail to send directly to Djigzo or setup your sendmail server to relay
mail through Djigzo.
So the current situation (without Djigzo)
Kmail -> sendmail -> internet
Kmail <- (pop/imap) <- sendmail <- internet
With Djigzo:
Kmail -> sendmail -> Djigzo -> internet
Kmail <- (pop/imap) <- sendmail <- Djigzo <- internet
This is the most typical setup.
Martijn
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Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
Hmmm, nothing in the MPA log about my message. I
guess I 1) have to set sendmail to forward mail
to Djigzo, and; 2) tell Kmail to receive mail
from Djigzo. Sound right?
It depends on how you want your mail to be handled. I myself have my
mail server - postfix - configured to accept mail, send it to Djigzo,
which sends it to SpamAssassin, which sends it back to Postfix for
processing. My mail clients don't need to know that Djigzo is involved.
Outgoing mail also goes to Postfix, which loops it through Djigzo before
sending the mail.
As long as you realize that Djigzo is an MTA, you can configure your
SendMail and Djigzo and Spam filters any way you like.
dagdag
Christine
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