# Servers wont talk to me!

**URL:** <https://community.ciphermail.com/t/servers-wont-talk-to-me/565>\
**Category:** Gateway\
**Created:** [June 27, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://community.ciphermail.com/t/servers-wont-talk-to-me/565 "2017-06-27T20:48:53Z")\
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**Author:** ![Paul\_Bronson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Paul\_Bronson](https://community.ciphermail.com/u/Paul_Bronson)\
**Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 8:48pm UTC](https://community.ciphermail.com/t/servers-wont-talk-to-me/565/1 "2017-06-27T20:48:53Z")

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Yep to correct IP.

> **···**
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net \> wrote:
> 
> > To the correct ip of the ciphermail server? Obviously something is wrong  
> > with the spf or dns or both.
> > 
> > I can't help much be because you are not providing real data.
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----  
> > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com]  
> > \*Received:\* Tuesday, 27 Jun 2017, 4:03PM  
> > \*To:\* Dino Edwards [dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net]  
> > \*CC:\* Martijn Brinkers [martijn(a)ciphermail.com]; users(a)lists.djigzo.com [  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com]  
> > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Yep...
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Dino Edwards \< \> dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\> wrote:
> > 
> > > Is the hostname ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com resolvable to  
> > > the outside world?
> > > 
> > > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:50 PM  
> > > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>  
> > > \*Cc:\* Martijn Brinkers \<martijn(a)ciphermail.com\>; users(a)lists.djigzo.com  
> > > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Yes, I seen this too, but here is the SFP for that domain:
> > > 
> > > v=spf1 include:ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com include:  
> > > mail.themailserver.com -all
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Dino Edwards \< \>\> dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > It’s not ideal but here’s what I noticed right away:
> > > 
> > > spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during lookup  
> > > of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com not  
> > > found)
> > > 
> > > your SPF record doesn’t seem to be correct.
> > > 
> > > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:42 PM  
> > > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>; Martijn Brinkers \<  
> > > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\>  
> > > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Hi Dino,
> > > 
> > > I sent a test to my gmail account. I blocked out some items if you don't  
> > > mind. Mail-gateway is the ciphermail server. Also FYI SFP records are  
> > > perfect, one of the first things I checked.
> > > 
> > > Legend:
> > > 
> > > paul(a)personalgmail.com = My personal gmail account
> > > 
> > > copier(a)themailserver.com = A user on the email server (before it gets  
> > > sent via relayhost to cipermail server)
> > > 
> > > 100.100.100.100 = ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com
> > > 
> > > Delivered-To: paul(a)personalgmail.com
> > > 
> > > Received: by 10.100.151.131 with SMTP id q3csp1477339pja;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > 
> > > X-Received: by 10.237.38.33 with SMTP id z30mr8715902qtc.105.1498591976  
> > > 746;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > 
> > > ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1498591976; cv=none;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b=zq9YrJUK0t+9/MMkruGu502L4/BxtDFW3DttYouYFgmW2An7l1l3wOZRQN  
> > > 6FduWhN
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;gkawirHqLKlmosfryJucbJ7cSrCK1tPCgHMKlaXOSMsqqkIdoRO+MSZG7lK  
> > > cgpL7Rd4j
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;tGBmHMPIUUZPOZEQ7Oaki/aI8sHpBGIDOb5Zw9pehSvMcaco6oMlp0rdyJm  
> > > bCodc0zyT
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;G/CYFQr6p52Lqs0P+tD8ilc3ZmaOri9G1IUXiuZd8Q3NhcBt6GMMwTTkaqu  
> > > X8zToK5ro
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;pbV4hF8+/gOQ+EL7BL+2E5bm6eKI59mpOO/Z69CL+5IdDSKL08epKpvuIJI  
> > > mNu3JyCdu
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4OpA==
> > > 
> > > ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com;  
> > > s=arc-20160816;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;h=message-id:subject:to:from:date:mime-version
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:arc-authentication-results;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;bh=RN/cksYKtaXvjBrTUO3AW31Lt1j87Lg7nLF7Ukwy8A=;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b=dXvmLVykUUUxaILtavAfHuX114RQlg9kvUYSTwHSShNcG5yZWWolCjpjip  
> > > fdfEow11
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IppD7AfdK64VBE6zHj8pkg9XJSzJdb1c/E/ct0rRegSrFDANr/NhO2uGbvD  
> > > zFdyxnBYf
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;28mYhWcZ7S3+5f2kNviw2/Ia0+hOPEuMZ3+JZr8vmcw0pFeuz82ZllxOYhd  
> > > J2XCAsBzD
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;nBx30P7ST3GUbRHI5PkOytE4YOCziHWqPbUP4U1JJP+1IS3HCNB7XK25uMH  
> > > d8aJMD68G
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;H+SquXOBfMLs6EjTE9fXNW4ZRmToww9xvJoBy6Kki8zVlKSdEmDDNJGj3J9  
> > > wTi8QRSsb
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;B3HA==
> > > 
> > > ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during  
> > > lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermails  
> > > erver.com not found) smtp.mailfrom=copier(a)themailserver.com
> > > 
> > > Return-Path: \<copier(a)themailserver.com\>
> > > 
> > > Received: from ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com (  
> > > ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com. [100.100.100.100])
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s4si84193qki.253.2017.06.27.12  
> > > .32.56
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for \<paul(a)personalgmail.com\>;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > 
> > > Received-SPF: permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing  
> > > during lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermails  
> > > erver.com not found) client-ip=100.100.100.100;
> > > 
> > > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
> > > 
> > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during  
> > > lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermails  
> > > erver.com not found) smtp.mailfrom=copier(a)themailserver.com
> > > 
> > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=\_39b41678131c459a9e  
> > > 029ec3c1356561"
> > > 
> > > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:33:02 -0400
> > > 
> > > From: Email Server User \<copier(a)themailserver.com\>
> > > 
> > > To: paul(a)personalgmail.com
> > > 
> > > Subject: TEST FOR LIST FROM SERVER
> > > 
> > > Message-ID: \<ce5baa86f628f249db3fa3f7fb28b0de(a)themailserver.com\>
> > > 
> > > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561
> > > 
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > > 
> > > TEST
> > > 
> > > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561
> > > 
> > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > > 
> > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> > > 
> > > \<html\>\<head\>\<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;  
> > > charset=
> > > 
> > > =3DUTF-8" /\>\</head\>\<body style=3D'font-size: 10pt; font-family:  
> > > Verdana,Gen=
> > > 
> > > eva,sans-serif'\>
> > > 
> > > \<p\>TEST\</p\>
> > > 
> > > \</body\>\</html\>
> > > 
> > > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561--
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Dino Edwards \< \>\> dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > I’m not sure what the concern is. You are simply sending me an email.  
> > > Just trying to help. If you don’t feel comfortable doing it then that’s  
> > > fine, but I can’t look at the logs to see what’s happening if anything.
> > > 
> > > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:13 PM  
> > > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>
> > > 
> > > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Dino,
> > > 
> > > Any way to do it without sending across the internet. I am not super  
> > > comfortable to sending across to people I do not know... Can I send to  
> > > myself then black out info and send to you?
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > Can you send me an email through your ciphermail gateway directly. Our  
> > > server is pretty locked down so if there is a problem, it may show up. That  
> > > Microsoft error is very misleading
> > > 
> > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:52 PM  
> > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>  
> > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Correct. Microsoft states no issues.. Here's what I sent Martijn.
> > > 
> > > We have a postfix server (plesk) that sends emails to cipher mail. So  
> > > someone in plesk sends an email lets say joe(a)apple.com\<mailto:joe(a)apple  
> > > .com\> is sending an email out to susi(a)banana.com\<mailto:susi(a)[banana.com](http://banana.com)\>.  
> > > Our plesk server hosts the @apple.com\<[http://apple.com/&gt](http://apple.com/&gt); domain. In  
> > > postfix on the plesk server, we have it setup with:
> > > 
> > > relayhost = (cipermailserver IP)
> > > 
> > > Mail then gets sent over to the ciphermail server. Ciphermail has the IP  
> > > of the plesk mail server setup as "my networks". And then it goes out from  
> > > there and just encrypts based on [encrypt] subject.
> > > 
> > > There are a few domains hosted on the plesk server that would route  
> > > through the cipermail server.
> > > 
> > > MTA Config:
> > > 
> > > [Image 2017-06-27 at 1.13.34...](https://cl.ly/1Q2o312u073q)
> > > 
> > > Global:
> > > 
> > > [https://cl.ly/1U08092o1A1y](https://cl.ly/1U08092o1A1y)
> > > 
> > > So my issue is anytime I email out to anyone on Officer 365, I get this  
> > > code:
> > > 
> > > [Image 2017-06-27 at 1.30.37 PM](https://cl.ly/312x3c2N2c0s)
> > > 
> > > SFP records include both the plesk email server and ciphermail server,  
> > > MXtoolbox shows 100% green, sending reputation is perfect.
> > > 
> > > Hopefully this helps some..
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\> wrote:  
> > > But when you send to other recipients who are not on Office 365, it’s no  
> > > problem?
> > > 
> > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>]  
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:37 PM  
> > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>  
> > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Correct!
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > So, email goes from your email server to ciphermail box out to its final  
> > > destination. But when you send email out to Office 365 recipient you are  
> > > getting 550 Mailbox Unavailable messages? Or am I misunderstanding what’s  
> > > happening?
> > > 
> > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>]  
> > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:49 AM  
> > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>; Martijn Brinkers \<  
> > > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\>  
> > > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>  
> > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Here is snippet:
> > > 
> > > [Image 2017-06-27 at 11.46.3...](https://cl.ly/3w3Q2U1l1N32)
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Paul Bronson \<signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > Dino/Matijn,
> > > 
> > > I am getting a lot of 550 Mailbox Unavailable for people who are using  
> > > microsoft 365. It happened as soon as we turned on the cipher mail server.  
> > > Everythins is good via mxtoolbox (all green checkmarks) but not sure why we  
> > > keep getthing this message. If I turn off cipher mail and just go from  
> > > email server to outlook 365 it goes through fine.
> > > 
> > > Any ideas?
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Paul Bronson \<signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > DIno,
> > > 
> > > Thanks for all your help! Can you post the complete apache config file?  
> > > Also I think the paths are wrong (?) Mine is  
> > > [https://x.x.x.x:8443/ciphermail](https://x.x.x.x:8443/ciphermail) is the main admin page.. I wanted to  
> > > change the main portal page to something else so I could block port access  
> > > to 8443 on the firewall
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto: \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > There is certainly way to do it with Tomcat but I can’t really help with  
> > > that, I’m not that familiar with it. I can tell you that Apache is a much  
> > > more advanced http server with a lot more functionality than Tomcat. Tomcat  
> > > is primarily designed to serve Java Servlets and JSPs.
> > > 
> > > My method is simpler I believe because it does not require you changing  
> > > the configuration of Tomcat and ciphermail. You simply put Apache in front  
> > > of it with the mod\_proxy\_ajp module which communicates with Tomcat using  
> > > the default config.
> > > 
> > > Of course, it’s all up to you how you want to proceed.
> > > 
> > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:sign  
> > > aldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>]  
> > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:48 PM  
> > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > > mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>  
> > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > I dont NEED to use apache, is there a way to do it with tomcat?
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > The following settings in main.cf\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<  
> > > [http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\> should get you started for TLS:
> > > 
> > > # TLS parameters  
> > > smtpd\_tls\_cert\_file = /etc/ssl/certs/cert.cer  
> > > smtpd\_tls\_key\_file = /etc/ssl/certs/key.key  
> > > smtpd\_tls\_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/root.cer  
> > > #smtpd\_use\_tls=yes  
> > > smtpd\_tls\_security\_level = may  
> > > smtpd\_tls\_session\_cache\_database = btree:${data\_directory}/smtpd\_scache  
> > > smtp\_tls\_session\_cache\_database = btree:${data\_directory}/smtp\_scache  
> > > smtpd\_tls\_loglevel = 1
> > > 
> > > I misspoke earlier. It’s been so long since I did this. Ciphermail comes  
> > > bundled with Tomcat and it runs on port 8888 if I’m not mistaking. So, if  
> > > you want to utilize Apache instead, you have to install mod\_proxy\_ajp  
> > > module in Apache and setup an apache config like below:
> > > 
> > > ProxyPass /djigzo [http://localhost:8888/djigzo](http://localhost:8888/djigzo)  
> > > ProxyPassReverse /djigzo [http://localhost:8888/djigzo](http://localhost:8888/djigzo)  
> > > ProxyPass /web [http://localhost:8888/web](http://localhost:8888/web)  
> > > ProxyPassReverse /web [http://localhost:8888/web](http://localhost:8888/web)  
> > > ProxyTimeout 3600
> > > 
> > > Changing the port has to be done within apache. So, if you want to use  
> > > 443, you must of course install mod\_ssl on apache, as well as certificate.  
> > > I have a complete Apache config file if you want, let me know and I’ll post  
> > > the relevant parts.
> > > 
> > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:sign  
> > > aldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:signal  
> > > developer(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>]  
> > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:42 PM  
> > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > > mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\<  
> > > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.  
> > > edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>\>  
> > > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>  
> > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Okay I will try that. I am also noticing that mxtoolbox states this  
> > > server isn't configured for TLS? I do not see any settings under interface  
> > > for this. Is this set on postfix main.cf\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<  
> > > [http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\> file manually?
> > > 
> > > Also if I wanted to remove the port or change the port to a default 443  
> > > do I need to do this within apache, or does the GUI do the config itself?
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > I’m guessing sendmail got installed by accident or as part of something  
> > > else. Not sure. I would either uninstall sendmail or change its port number  
> > > if it’s absolutely necessary, although it doesn’t seem like that’s the case.
> > > 
> > > Since the Web GUI runs on a different port, you can set whatever hostname  
> > > you want in ciphermail as long as that hostname is resolvable by the  
> > > outside world and as long as the back-end webserver (apache I assume) is  
> > > configured to answer on that port. So, if you want the web portal to be  
> > > [https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/](https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/) in ciphermail under settings --\>  
> > > portal
> > > 
> > > è Base URL you set it as follows:
> > > 
> > > [https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/web/portal/](https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/web/portal/)
> > > 
> > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:sign  
> > > aldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:signal  
> > > developer(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:sig  
> > > naldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:s  
> > > ignaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:s  
> > > ignaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>\>]  
> > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:13 PM  
> > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > > mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\<  
> > > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.  
> > > edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > > mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<  
> > > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.  
> > > edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > > mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>\>\>  
> > > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:u  
> > > sers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>  
> > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Hi Dino,
> > > 
> > > Wonder why sendmail keeps trying to start then.. Odd.
> > > 
> > > I'd really like to set the web portal to a different address versus the  
> > > HELO name I meant, sorry.
> > > 
> > > Paul
> > > 
> > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > You don't need both. One or the other, although Postfix is recommended.
> > > 
> > > Different site, meaning different server?
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----  
> > > From: Users [mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-bounces@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<  
> > > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users-  
> > > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<  
> > > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users-  
> > > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<  
> > > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users-  
> > > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<  
> > > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:users-  
> > > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<  
> > > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users-  
> > > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\>\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
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> > > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>] On Behalf Of Paul Bronson  
> > > via Users  
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> > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > IP Is not blacklisted, reverse DNS has been setup also.
> > > 
> > > For some reason sendmail and postfix are using the same port? Do I need  
> > > both?
> > > 
> > > I would also like to set the web portal to a different site versus the  
> > > hostname.
> > > 
> > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Martijn Brinkers via Users \<  
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> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > \> On 06/22/2017 10:32 PM, Paul Bronson via Users wrote:  
> > > \> \> Okay here is what I have.. Still not sure what's wrong.  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/k0ysM)  
> > > \> \> [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/QuyaO)  
> > > \> \> [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/9pNyl)  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> I have the IP listed in my networks.  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> So my setup goes like this:  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> Incoming email \>\> firewall \>\> email server  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> Cipher mail is not used for incoming, but my outgoing setup is:  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> Outgoing email \>\> email server \>\> ciphermail server \>\> firewall \>\>  
> > > \> internet  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> For some reason I think something is getting clogged up on CM  
> > > \> \> server. I have the email server (postfix) setup with a relayhost, so  
> > > \> \> it will  
> > > \> forward  
> > > \> \> all mails to the ciphermail server. The "locality" setting on my  
> > > \> \> server  
> > > \> is  
> > > \> \> "external" - does this matter? It's behind our firewall and should  
> > > \> \> only  
> > > \> be  
> > > \> \> sending mail off from our internal mail server.  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> I had it on in the morning and the others told me they are getting a  
> > > \> \> lot  
> > > \> of  
> > > \> \> bouncebacks. I have a feeling this is because of the SFP records but  
> > > \> \> I  
> > > \> want  
> > > \> \> to make sure the server is setup properly.  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> The OTP you helped me with works now also, thank you!  
> > > \> \>  
> > > \> \> Everything is inherited from global also.  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Once the email has been handled by the back-end (MPA), the email is  
> > > \> handed over to the MTA (Postfix). The MTA is responsible for  
> > > \> delivering the email. If the email is not delivered you should check  
> > > \> the MTA logs to see why. There can be a number of reasons why the  
> > > \> recipients mail server won't accept email: your IP address might be  
> > > \> dynamic (i.e., some consumer type ISP), there is no IP reverse name  
> > > \> for your IP address, the reverse IP name is not the same as the SMTP  
> > > \> helo name. your IP might be black-listed.  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Solving this does not involve making changes in the CipherMail global  
> > > \> settings. The only change in CipherMail that influences delivery is  
> > > \> the MTA helo name.  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Could you sent some MTA logs showing which mails were not delivered?  
> > > \>  
> > > \> What is the IP address the CipherMail gateway is using?  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Kind regards,  
> > > \>  
> > > \> Martijn Brinkers  
> > > \>  
> > > \>  
> > > \> --  
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> > > \<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:U  
> > > sers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\>\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<  
> > > mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:User  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:User  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>  
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)  
> > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > Users mailing list  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:U  
> > > sers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\>\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<  
> > > mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:User  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users@  
> > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:User  
> > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Use  
> > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>
> > > 
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > 
> > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > Users mailing list  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:U  
> > > sers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>  
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > 
> > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > Users mailing list  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > \<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>  
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > 
> > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > Users mailing list  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>  
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > 
> > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > Users mailing list  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>  
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > 
> > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > Users mailing list  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>  
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > 
> > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > Users mailing list  
> > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com  
> > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)

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**Author:** ![martijn](https://dub1.discourse-cdn.com/flex017/user_avatar/community.ciphermail.com/martijn/32/127_2.png) [@martijn](https://community.ciphermail.com/u/martijn)\
**Post date:** [June 28, 2017, 2:43pm UTC](https://community.ciphermail.com/t/servers-wont-talk-to-me/565/2 "2017-06-28T14:43:23Z")

</div>

Perhaps the DNS entries are not updated (changing DNS might take a while  
until all DNS servers are updated).

I agree with Dino, if you do not provide us with the real data (IP,  
domain etc.) there is nothing more we can do.

Kind regards,

Martijn Brinkers

> **···**
>
> On 06/27/2017 10:48 PM, Paul Bronson via Users wrote:
> 
> > Yep to correct IP.
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 4:08 PM, Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net \>\> wrote:
> > 
> > > To the correct ip of the ciphermail server? Obviously something is wrong  
> > > with the spf or dns or both.
> > > 
> > > I can't help much be because you are not providing real data.
> > > 
> > > -----Original Message-----  
> > > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com]  
> > > \*Received:\* Tuesday, 27 Jun 2017, 4:03PM  
> > > \*To:\* Dino Edwards [dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net]  
> > > \*CC:\* Martijn Brinkers [martijn(a)ciphermail.com]; users(a)lists.djigzo.com [  
> > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com]  
> > > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > 
> > > Yep...
> > > 
> > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:51 PM, Dino Edwards \< \>\> dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\> wrote:
> > > 
> > > > Is the hostname ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com resolvable to  
> > > > the outside world?
> > > > 
> > > > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:50 PM  
> > > > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>  
> > > > \*Cc:\* Martijn Brinkers \<martijn(a)ciphermail.com\>; users(a)lists.djigzo.com  
> > > > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Yes, I seen this too, but here is the SFP for that domain:
> > > > 
> > > > v=spf1 include:ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com include:  
> > > > mail.themailserver.com -all
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Dino Edwards \< \>\>\> dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > It’s not ideal but here’s what I noticed right away:
> > > > 
> > > > spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during lookup  
> > > > of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com not  
> > > > found)
> > > > 
> > > > your SPF record doesn’t seem to be correct.
> > > > 
> > > > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:42 PM  
> > > > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>; Martijn Brinkers \<  
> > > > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\>  
> > > > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Dino,
> > > > 
> > > > I sent a test to my gmail account. I blocked out some items if you don't  
> > > > mind. Mail-gateway is the ciphermail server. Also FYI SFP records are  
> > > > perfect, one of the first things I checked.
> > > > 
> > > > Legend:
> > > > 
> > > > paul(a)personalgmail.com = My personal gmail account
> > > > 
> > > > copier(a)themailserver.com = A user on the email server (before it gets  
> > > > sent via relayhost to cipermail server)
> > > > 
> > > > 100.100.100.100 = ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com
> > > > 
> > > > Delivered-To: paul(a)personalgmail.com
> > > > 
> > > > Received: by 10.100.151.131 with SMTP id q3csp1477339pja;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > 
> > > > X-Received: by 10.237.38.33 with SMTP id z30mr8715902qtc.105.1498591976  
> > > > 746;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > 
> > > > ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1498591976; cv=none;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b=zq9YrJUK0t+9/MMkruGu502L4/BxtDFW3DttYouYFgmW2An7l1l3wOZRQN  
> > > > 6FduWhN
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;gkawirHqLKlmosfryJucbJ7cSrCK1tPCgHMKlaXOSMsqqkIdoRO+MSZG7lK  
> > > > cgpL7Rd4j
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;tGBmHMPIUUZPOZEQ7Oaki/aI8sHpBGIDOb5Zw9pehSvMcaco6oMlp0rdyJm  
> > > > bCodc0zyT
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;G/CYFQr6p52Lqs0P+tD8ilc3ZmaOri9G1IUXiuZd8Q3NhcBt6GMMwTTkaqu  
> > > > X8zToK5ro
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;pbV4hF8+/gOQ+EL7BL+2E5bm6eKI59mpOO/Z69CL+5IdDSKL08epKpvuIJI  
> > > > mNu3JyCdu
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4OpA==
> > > > 
> > > > ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com;  
> > > > s=arc-20160816;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;h=message-id:subject:to:from:date:mime-version
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:arc-authentication-results;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;bh=RN/cksYKtaXvjBrTUO3AW31Lt1j87Lg7nLF7Ukwy8A=;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b=dXvmLVykUUUxaILtavAfHuX114RQlg9kvUYSTwHSShNcG5yZWWolCjpjip  
> > > > fdfEow11
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IppD7AfdK64VBE6zHj8pkg9XJSzJdb1c/E/ct0rRegSrFDANr/NhO2uGbvD  
> > > > zFdyxnBYf
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;28mYhWcZ7S3+5f2kNviw2/Ia0+hOPEuMZ3+JZr8vmcw0pFeuz82ZllxOYhd  
> > > > J2XCAsBzD
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;nBx30P7ST3GUbRHI5PkOytE4YOCziHWqPbUP4U1JJP+1IS3HCNB7XK25uMH  
> > > > d8aJMD68G
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;H+SquXOBfMLs6EjTE9fXNW4ZRmToww9xvJoBy6Kki8zVlKSdEmDDNJGj3J9  
> > > > wTi8QRSsb
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;B3HA==
> > > > 
> > > > ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during  
> > > > lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermails  
> > > > erver.com not found) smtp.mailfrom=copier(a)themailserver.com
> > > > 
> > > > Return-Path: \<copier(a)themailserver.com\>
> > > > 
> > > > Received: from ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com (  
> > > > ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com. [100.100.100.100])
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s4si84193qki.253.2017.06.27.12  
> > > > .32.56
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for \<paul(a)personalgmail.com\>;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > > > 
> > > > Received-SPF: permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing  
> > > > during lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermails  
> > > > erver.com not found) client-ip=100.100.100.100;
> > > > 
> > > > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
> > > > 
> > > > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during  
> > > > lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermails  
> > > > erver.com not found) smtp.mailfrom=copier(a)themailserver.com
> > > > 
> > > > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > > > 
> > > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=\_39b41678131c459a9e  
> > > > 029ec3c1356561"
> > > > 
> > > > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:33:02 -0400
> > > > 
> > > > From: Email Server User \<copier(a)themailserver.com\>
> > > > 
> > > > To: paul(a)personalgmail.com
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: TEST FOR LIST FROM SERVER
> > > > 
> > > > Message-ID: \<ce5baa86f628f249db3fa3f7fb28b0de(a)themailserver.com\>
> > > > 
> > > > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561
> > > > 
> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > > > 
> > > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > > > 
> > > > TEST
> > > > 
> > > > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561
> > > > 
> > > > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > > > 
> > > > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> > > > 
> > > > \<html\>\<head\>\<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;  
> > > > charset=
> > > > 
> > > > =3DUTF-8" /\>\</head\>\<body style=3D'font-size: 10pt; font-family:  
> > > > Verdana,Gen=
> > > > 
> > > > eva,sans-serif'\>
> > > > 
> > > > \<p\>TEST\</p\>
> > > > 
> > > > \</body\>\</html\>
> > > > 
> > > > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561--
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Dino Edwards \< \>\>\> dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > I’m not sure what the concern is. You are simply sending me an email.  
> > > > Just trying to help. If you don’t feel comfortable doing it then that’s  
> > > > fine, but I can’t look at the logs to see what’s happening if anything.
> > > > 
> > > > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:13 PM  
> > > > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>
> > > > 
> > > > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Dino,
> > > > 
> > > > Any way to do it without sending across the internet. I am not super  
> > > > comfortable to sending across to people I do not know... Can I send to  
> > > > myself then black out info and send to you?
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > Can you send me an email through your ciphermail gateway directly. Our  
> > > > server is pretty locked down so if there is a problem, it may show up. That  
> > > > Microsoft error is very misleading
> > > > 
> > > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:52 PM  
> > > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>  
> > > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Correct. Microsoft states no issues.. Here's what I sent Martijn.
> > > > 
> > > > We have a postfix server (plesk) that sends emails to cipher mail. So  
> > > > someone in plesk sends an email lets say joe(a)apple.com\<mailto:joe(a)apple  
> > > > .com\> is sending an email out to susi(a)banana.com\<mailto:susi(a)[banana.com](http://banana.com)\>.  
> > > > Our plesk server hosts the @apple.com\<[http://apple.com/&gt](http://apple.com/&gt); domain. In  
> > > > postfix on the plesk server, we have it setup with:
> > > > 
> > > > relayhost = (cipermailserver IP)
> > > > 
> > > > Mail then gets sent over to the ciphermail server. Ciphermail has the IP  
> > > > of the plesk mail server setup as "my networks". And then it goes out from  
> > > > there and just encrypts based on [encrypt] subject.
> > > > 
> > > > There are a few domains hosted on the plesk server that would route  
> > > > through the cipermail server.
> > > > 
> > > > MTA Config:
> > > > 
> > > > [Image 2017-06-27 at 1.13.34...](https://cl.ly/1Q2o312u073q)
> > > > 
> > > > Global:
> > > > 
> > > > [https://cl.ly/1U08092o1A1y](https://cl.ly/1U08092o1A1y)
> > > > 
> > > > So my issue is anytime I email out to anyone on Officer 365, I get this  
> > > > code:
> > > > 
> > > > [Image 2017-06-27 at 1.30.37 PM](https://cl.ly/312x3c2N2c0s)
> > > > 
> > > > SFP records include both the plesk email server and ciphermail server,  
> > > > MXtoolbox shows 100% green, sending reputation is perfect.
> > > > 
> > > > Hopefully this helps some..
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\> wrote:  
> > > > But when you send to other recipients who are not on Office 365, it’s no  
> > > > problem?
> > > > 
> > > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>]  
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:37 PM  
> > > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>  
> > > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Correct!
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > So, email goes from your email server to ciphermail box out to its final  
> > > > destination. But when you send email out to Office 365 recipient you are  
> > > > getting 550 Mailbox Unavailable messages? Or am I misunderstanding what’s  
> > > > happening?
> > > > 
> > > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>]  
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:49 AM  
> > > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>; Martijn Brinkers \<  
> > > > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\>  
> > > > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>  
> > > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Here is snippet:
> > > > 
> > > > [Image 2017-06-27 at 11.46.3...](https://cl.ly/3w3Q2U1l1N32)
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Paul Bronson \<signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > Dino/Matijn,
> > > > 
> > > > I am getting a lot of 550 Mailbox Unavailable for people who are using  
> > > > microsoft 365. It happened as soon as we turned on the cipher mail server.  
> > > > Everythins is good via mxtoolbox (all green checkmarks) but not sure why we  
> > > > keep getthing this message. If I turn off cipher mail and just go from  
> > > > email server to outlook 365 it goes through fine.
> > > > 
> > > > Any ideas?
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Paul Bronson \<signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com) \>\>\> \<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > DIno,
> > > > 
> > > > Thanks for all your help! Can you post the complete apache config file?  
> > > > Also I think the paths are wrong (?) Mine is  
> > > > [https://x.x.x.x:8443/ciphermail](https://x.x.x.x:8443/ciphermail) is the main admin page.. I wanted to  
> > > > change the main portal page to something else so I could block port access  
> > > > to 8443 on the firewall
> > > > 
> > > > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto: \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \>\>\> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > There is certainly way to do it with Tomcat but I can’t really help with  
> > > > that, I’m not that familiar with it. I can tell you that Apache is a much  
> > > > more advanced http server with a lot more functionality than Tomcat. Tomcat  
> > > > is primarily designed to serve Java Servlets and JSPs.
> > > > 
> > > > My method is simpler I believe because it does not require you changing  
> > > > the configuration of Tomcat and ciphermail. You simply put Apache in front  
> > > > of it with the mod\_proxy\_ajp module which communicates with Tomcat using  
> > > > the default config.
> > > > 
> > > > Of course, it’s all up to you how you want to proceed.
> > > > 
> > > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:sign  
> > > > aldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>]  
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:48 PM  
> > > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > > > mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>  
> > > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > I dont NEED to use apache, is there a way to do it with tomcat?
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > The following settings in main.cf\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<  
> > > > [http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\> should get you started for TLS:
> > > > 
> > > > # TLS parameters  
> > > > smtpd\_tls\_cert\_file = /etc/ssl/certs/cert.cer  
> > > > smtpd\_tls\_key\_file = /etc/ssl/certs/key.key  
> > > > smtpd\_tls\_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/root.cer  
> > > > #smtpd\_use\_tls=yes  
> > > > smtpd\_tls\_security\_level = may  
> > > > smtpd\_tls\_session\_cache\_database = btree:${data\_directory}/smtpd\_scache  
> > > > smtp\_tls\_session\_cache\_database = btree:${data\_directory}/smtp\_scache  
> > > > smtpd\_tls\_loglevel = 1
> > > > 
> > > > I misspoke earlier. It’s been so long since I did this. Ciphermail comes  
> > > > bundled with Tomcat and it runs on port 8888 if I’m not mistaking. So, if  
> > > > you want to utilize Apache instead, you have to install mod\_proxy\_ajp  
> > > > module in Apache and setup an apache config like below:
> > > > 
> > > > ProxyPass /djigzo [http://localhost:8888/djigzo](http://localhost:8888/djigzo)  
> > > > ProxyPassReverse /djigzo [http://localhost:8888/djigzo](http://localhost:8888/djigzo)  
> > > > ProxyPass /web [http://localhost:8888/web](http://localhost:8888/web)  
> > > > ProxyPassReverse /web [http://localhost:8888/web](http://localhost:8888/web)  
> > > > ProxyTimeout 3600
> > > > 
> > > > Changing the port has to be done within apache. So, if you want to use  
> > > > 443, you must of course install mod\_ssl on apache, as well as certificate.  
> > > > I have a complete Apache config file if you want, let me know and I’ll post  
> > > > the relevant parts.
> > > > 
> > > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:sign  
> > > > aldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:signal  
> > > > developer(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>]  
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:42 PM  
> > > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > > > mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\<  
> > > > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)
> > > > 
> > > > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.
> > > > 
> > > > edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>\>  
> > > > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > > > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>  
> > > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Okay I will try that. I am also noticing that mxtoolbox states this  
> > > > server isn't configured for TLS? I do not see any settings under interface  
> > > > for this. Is this set on postfix main.cf\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<  
> > > > [http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\> file manually?
> > > > 
> > > > Also if I wanted to remove the port or change the port to a default 443  
> > > > do I need to do this within apache, or does the GUI do the config itself?
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users@  
> > > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:user  
> > > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > I’m guessing sendmail got installed by accident or as part of something  
> > > > else. Not sure. I would either uninstall sendmail or change its port number  
> > > > if it’s absolutely necessary, although it doesn’t seem like that’s the case.
> > > > 
> > > > Since the Web GUI runs on a different port, you can set whatever hostname  
> > > > you want in ciphermail as long as that hostname is resolvable by the  
> > > > outside world and as long as the back-end webserver (apache I assume) is  
> > > > configured to answer on that port. So, if you want the web portal to be  
> > > > [https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/](https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/) in ciphermail under settings --\>  
> > > > portal
> > > > 
> > > > è Base URL you set it as follows:
> > > > 
> > > > [https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/web/portal/](https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/web/portal/)
> > > > 
> > > > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:sign  
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> > > > naldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
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> > > > ignaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>\>]  
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:13 PM  
> > > > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:  
> > > > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
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> > > > 
> > > > > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.
> > > > 
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> > > > 
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> > > > djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)
> > > > 
> > > > > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>
> > > > 
> > > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > Hi Dino,
> > > > 
> > > > Wonder why sendmail keeps trying to start then.. Odd.
> > > > 
> > > > I'd really like to set the web portal to a different address versus the  
> > > > HELO name I meant, sorry.
> > > > 
> > > > Paul
> > > > 
> > > > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
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> > > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > > > You don't need both. One or the other, although Postfix is recommended.
> > > > 
> > > > Different site, meaning different server?
> > > > 
> > > > -----Original Message-----  
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> > > > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>] On Behalf Of Paul Bronson  
> > > > via Users  
> > > > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:57 PM  
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> > > > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > > > 
> > > > IP Is not blacklisted, reverse DNS has been setup also.
> > > > 
> > > > For some reason sendmail and postfix are using the same port? Do I need  
> > > > both?
> > > > 
> > > > I would also like to set the web portal to a different site versus the  
> > > > hostname.
> > > > 
> > > > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Martijn Brinkers via Users \<  
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> > > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:
> > > > 
> > > > > On 06/22/2017 10:32 PM, Paul Bronson via Users wrote:
> > > > > 
> > > > > > Okay here is what I have.. Still not sure what's wrong.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/k0ysM)  
> > > > > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/QuyaO)  
> > > > > > [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/9pNyl)
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I have the IP listed in my networks.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > So my setup goes like this:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Incoming email \>\> firewall \>\> email server
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Cipher mail is not used for incoming, but my outgoing setup is:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Outgoing email \>\> email server \>\> ciphermail server \>\> firewall \>\>
> > > > > 
> > > > > internet
> > > > > 
> > > > > > For some reason I think something is getting clogged up on CM  
> > > > > > server. I have the email server (postfix) setup with a relayhost, so  
> > > > > > it will
> > > > > 
> > > > > forward
> > > > > 
> > > > > > all mails to the ciphermail server. The "locality" setting on my  
> > > > > > server
> > > > > 
> > > > > is
> > > > > 
> > > > > > "external" - does this matter? It's behind our firewall and should  
> > > > > > only
> > > > > 
> > > > > be
> > > > > 
> > > > > > sending mail off from our internal mail server.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I had it on in the morning and the others told me they are getting a  
> > > > > > lot
> > > > > 
> > > > > of
> > > > > 
> > > > > > bouncebacks. I have a feeling this is because of the SFP records but  
> > > > > > I
> > > > > 
> > > > > want
> > > > > 
> > > > > > to make sure the server is setup properly.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > The OTP you helped me with works now also, thank you!
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Everything is inherited from global also.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Once the email has been handled by the back-end (MPA), the email is  
> > > > > handed over to the MTA (Postfix). The MTA is responsible for  
> > > > > delivering the email. If the email is not delivered you should check  
> > > > > the MTA logs to see why. There can be a number of reasons why the  
> > > > > recipients mail server won't accept email: your IP address might be  
> > > > > dynamic (i.e., some consumer type ISP), there is no IP reverse name  
> > > > > for your IP address, the reverse IP name is not the same as the SMTP  
> > > > > helo name. your IP might be black-listed.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Solving this does not involve making changes in the CipherMail global  
> > > > > settings. The only change in CipherMail that influences delivery is  
> > > > > the MTA helo name.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Could you sent some MTA logs showing which mails were not delivered?
> > > > > 
> > > > > What is the IP address the CipherMail gateway is using?
> > > > > 
> > > > > Kind regards,
> > > > > 
> > > > > Martijn Brinkers
> > > > > 
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> > > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Use  
> > > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users@  
> > > > lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:User  
> > > > s(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Use  
> > > > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>
> > > > 
> > > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > > 
> > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > > Users mailing list  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > > djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > > \<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:U  
> > > > sers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > > djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)
> > > > 
> > > > > \<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>
> > > > 
> > > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > > 
> > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > > Users mailing list  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)lists.  
> > > > djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > > > \<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>  
> > > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > > 
> > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > > Users mailing list  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>  
> > > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > > 
> > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > > Users mailing list  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>  
> > > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > > 
> > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > > Users mailing list  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:Users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>  
> > > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > > > 
> > > > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > > > Users mailing list  
> > > > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com  
> > > > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
> > 
> > \_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_\_  
> > Users mailing list  
> > Users(a)lists.djigzo.com  
> > [https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users](https://lists.djigzo.com/lists/listinfo/users)
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