# Servers wont talk to me!

**URL:** <https://community.ciphermail.com/t/servers-wont-talk-to-me/563>\
**Category:** Gateway\
**Created:** [June 27, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://community.ciphermail.com/t/servers-wont-talk-to-me/563 "2017-06-27T19:49:37Z")\
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**Author:** ![Paul\_Bronson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/8e8cbc/32.png) [@Paul\_Bronson](https://community.ciphermail.com/u/Paul_Bronson)\
**Post date:** [June 27, 2017, 7:49pm UTC](https://community.ciphermail.com/t/servers-wont-talk-to-me/563/1 "2017-06-27T19:49:37Z")

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Yes, I seen this too, but here is the SFP for that domain:

v=spf1 include:ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com include:  
mail.themailserver.com -all

> **···**
>
> On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:46 PM, Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net \> wrote:
> 
> > It’s not ideal but here’s what I noticed right away:
> > 
> > spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during lookup of  
> > copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com not  
> > found)
> > 
> > your SPF record doesn’t seem to be correct.
> > 
> > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:42 PM  
> > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>; Martijn Brinkers \<  
> > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\>  
> > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Hi Dino,
> > 
> > I sent a test to my gmail account. I blocked out some items if you don't  
> > mind. Mail-gateway is the ciphermail server. Also FYI SFP records are  
> > perfect, one of the first things I checked.
> > 
> > Legend:
> > 
> > paul(a)personalgmail.com = My personal gmail account
> > 
> > copier(a)themailserver.com = A user on the email server (before it gets  
> > sent via relayhost to cipermail server)
> > 
> > 100.100.100.100 = ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com
> > 
> > Delivered-To: paul(a)personalgmail.com
> > 
> > Received: by 10.100.151.131 with SMTP id q3csp1477339pja;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> > X-Received: by 10.237.38.33 with SMTP id z30mr8715902qtc.105.  
> > 1498591976746;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> > ARC-Seal: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; t=1498591976; cv=none;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;d=google.com; s=arc-20160816;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b=zq9YrJUK0t+9/MMkruGu502L4/BxtDFW3DttYouYFgmW2An7l1l3wOZR  
> > QN6FduWhN
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;gkawirHqLKlmosfryJucbJ7cSrCK1tPCgHMKlaXOSMsqqkIdoRO+  
> > MSZG7lKcgpL7Rd4j
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;tGBmHMPIUUZPOZEQ7Oaki/aI8sHpBGIDOb5Zw9pehSvMcaco6oMl  
> > p0rdyJmbCodc0zyT
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;G/CYFQr6p52Lqs0P+tD8ilc3ZmaOri9G1IUXiuZd8Q3NhcB  
> > t6GMMwTTkaquX8zToK5ro
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;pbV4hF8+/gOQ+EL7BL+2E5bm6eKI59mpOO/Z69CL+  
> > 5IdDSKL08epKpvuIJImNu3JyCdu
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;4OpA==
> > 
> > ARC-Message-Signature: i=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=google.com;  
> > s=arc-20160816;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;h=message-id:subject:to:from:date:mime-version
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;:arc-authentication-results;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;bh=RN/cksYKtaXvjBrTUO3AW31Lt1j87Lg7nLF7Ukwy8A=;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;b=dXvmLVykUUUxaILtavAfHuX114RQlg9kvUYSTwHSShNcG5yZWWolCjpjipfd  
> > fEow11
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;IppD7AfdK64VBE6zHj8pkg9XJSzJdb1c/E/ct0rRegSrFDANr/  
> > NhO2uGbvDzFdyxnBYf
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;28mYhWcZ7S3+5f2kNviw2/Ia0+hOPEuMZ3+JZr8vmcw0pFeuz82ZllxOYhdJ2XCAs  
> > BzD
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;nBx30P7ST3GUbRHI5PkOytE4YOCziHWqPbUP4U1JJP+  
> > 1IS3HCNB7XK25uMHd8aJMD68G
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;H+SquXOBfMLs6EjTE9fXNW4ZRmToww9xvJoBy6Kki8zVlKSdEmDDNJGj3J9wTi  
> > 8QRSsb
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;B3HA==
> > 
> > ARC-Authentication-Results: i=1; mx.google.com;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during  
> > lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.  
> > ciphermailserver.com not found) smtp.mailfrom=copier(a)themailserver.com
> > 
> > Return-Path: \<copier(a)themailserver.com\>
> > 
> > Received: from ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com (  
> > ciphermail-gateway.ciphermailserver.com. [100.100.100.100])
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;by mx.google.com with ESMTP id s4si84193qki.253.2017.06.27.  
> > 12.32.56
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;for \<paul(a)personalgmail.com\>;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;Tue, 27 Jun 2017 12:32:56 -0700 (PDT)
> > 
> > Received-SPF: permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during  
> > lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.  
> > ciphermailserver.com not found) client-ip=100.100.100.100;
> > 
> > Authentication-Results: mx.google.com;
> > 
> > &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;spf=permerror (google.com: permanent error in processing during  
> > lookup of copier(a)themailserver.com: ciphermail-gateway.  
> > ciphermailserver.com not found) smtp.mailfrom=copier(a)themailserver.com
> > 
> > MIME-Version: 1.0
> > 
> > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="=\_  
> > 39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561"
> > 
> > Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2017 15:33:02 -0400
> > 
> > From: Email Server User \<copier(a)themailserver.com\>
> > 
> > To: paul(a)personalgmail.com
> > 
> > Subject: TEST FOR LIST FROM SERVER
> > 
> > Message-ID: \<ce5baa86f628f249db3fa3f7fb28b0de(a)themailserver.com\>
> > 
> > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561
> > 
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII
> > 
> > TEST
> > 
> > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561
> > 
> > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> > 
> > Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8
> > 
> > \<html\>\<head\>\<meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html;  
> > charset=
> > 
> > =3DUTF-8" /\>\</head\>\<body style=3D'font-size: 10pt; font-family:  
> > Verdana,Gen=
> > 
> > eva,sans-serif'\>
> > 
> > \<p\>TEST\</p\>
> > 
> > \</body\>\</html\>
> > 
> > --=\_39b41678131c459a9e029ec3c1356561--
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:15 PM, Dino Edwards \< \> dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\> wrote:
> > 
> > I’m not sure what the concern is. You are simply sending me an email. Just  
> > trying to help. If you don’t feel comfortable doing it then that’s fine,  
> > but I can’t look at the logs to see what’s happening if anything.
> > 
> > \*From:\* Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > \*Sent:\* Tuesday, June 27, 2017 3:13 PM  
> > \*To:\* Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>
> > 
> > \*Subject:\* Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Dino,
> > 
> > Any way to do it without sending across the internet. I am not super  
> > comfortable to sending across to people I do not know... Can I send to  
> > myself then black out info and send to you?
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 3:06 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\> wrote:
> > 
> > Can you send me an email through your ciphermail gateway directly. Our  
> > server is pretty locked down so if there is a problem, it may show up. That  
> > Microsoft error is very misleading
> > 
> > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)]  
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:52 PM  
> > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>  
> > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Correct. Microsoft states no issues.. Here's what I sent Martijn.
> > 
> > We have a postfix server (plesk) that sends emails to cipher mail. So  
> > someone in plesk sends an email lets say joe(a)apple.com\<mailto:joe@  
> > apple.com\> is sending an email out to susi(a)banana.com\<mailto:susi@  
> > banana.com\>. Our plesk server hosts the @apple.com\<[http://apple.com/&gt](http://apple.com/&gt);  
> > domain. In postfix on the plesk server, we have it setup with:
> > 
> > relayhost = (cipermailserver IP)
> > 
> > Mail then gets sent over to the ciphermail server. Ciphermail has the IP  
> > of the plesk mail server setup as "my networks". And then it goes out from  
> > there and just encrypts based on [encrypt] subject.
> > 
> > There are a few domains hosted on the plesk server that would route  
> > through the cipermail server.
> > 
> > MTA Config:
> > 
> > [Image 2017-06-27 at 1.13.34...](https://cl.ly/1Q2o312u073q)
> > 
> > Global:
> > 
> > [https://cl.ly/1U08092o1A1y](https://cl.ly/1U08092o1A1y)
> > 
> > So my issue is anytime I email out to anyone on Officer 365, I get this  
> > code:
> > 
> > [Image 2017-06-27 at 1.30.37 PM](https://cl.ly/312x3c2N2c0s)
> > 
> > SFP records include both the plesk email server and ciphermail server,  
> > MXtoolbox shows 100% green, sending reputation is perfect.
> > 
> > Hopefully this helps some..
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:46 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\> wrote:  
> > But when you send to other recipients who are not on Office 365, it’s no  
> > problem?
> > 
> > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>]  
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 2:37 PM  
> > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\>  
> > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Correct!
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\> wrote:  
> > So, email goes from your email server to ciphermail box out to its final  
> > destination. But when you send email out to Office 365 recipient you are  
> > getting 550 Mailbox Unavailable messages? Or am I misunderstanding what’s  
> > happening?
> > 
> > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>]  
> > Sent: Tuesday, June 27, 2017 11:49 AM  
> > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\>; Martijn Brinkers \<martijn(a)ciphermail.com  
> > \<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\<mailto:  
> > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\>\>\>  
> > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>  
> > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Here is snippet:
> > 
> > [Image 2017-06-27 at 11.46.3...](https://cl.ly/3w3Q2U1l1N32)
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 11:44 AM, Paul Bronson \<signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\< \> mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto: \> signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:signa \> ldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto: \> signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > Dino/Matijn,
> > 
> > I am getting a lot of 550 Mailbox Unavailable for people who are using  
> > microsoft 365. It happened as soon as we turned on the cipher mail server.  
> > Everythins is good via mxtoolbox (all green checkmarks) but not sure why we  
> > keep getthing this message. If I turn off cipher mail and just go from  
> > email server to outlook 365 it goes through fine.
> > 
> > Any ideas?
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 10:25 AM, Paul Bronson \<signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\< \> mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto: \> signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:signa \> ldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto: \> signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > DIno,
> > 
> > Thanks for all your help! Can you post the complete apache config file?  
> > Also I think the paths are wrong (?) Mine is [https://x.x.x.x:8443/](https://x.x.x.x:8443/)  
> > ciphermail is the main admin page.. I wanted to change the main portal  
> > page to something else so I could block port access to 8443 on the firewall
> > 
> > On Tue, Jun 27, 2017 at 8:08 AM, Dino Edwards via Users \< \> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto: \> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto: \> users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists. \> djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > There is certainly way to do it with Tomcat but I can’t really help with  
> > that, I’m not that familiar with it. I can tell you that Apache is a much  
> > more advanced http server with a lot more functionality than Tomcat. Tomcat  
> > is primarily designed to serve Java Servlets and JSPs.
> > 
> > My method is simpler I believe because it does not require you changing  
> > the configuration of Tomcat and ciphermail. You simply put Apache in front  
> > of it with the mod\_proxy\_ajp module which communicates with Tomcat using  
> > the default config.
> > 
> > Of course, it’s all up to you how you want to proceed.
> > 
> > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:s  
> > ignaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>]  
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 6:48 PM  
> > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<  
> > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>  
> > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > I dont NEED to use apache, is there a way to do it with tomcat?
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:54 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users  
> > @lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > The following settings in main.cf\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<  
> > [http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\> should get you started for TLS:
> > 
> > # TLS parameters  
> > smtpd\_tls\_cert\_file = /etc/ssl/certs/cert.cer  
> > smtpd\_tls\_key\_file = /etc/ssl/certs/key.key  
> > smtpd\_tls\_CAfile = /etc/ssl/certs/root.cer  
> > #smtpd\_use\_tls=yes  
> > smtpd\_tls\_security\_level = may  
> > smtpd\_tls\_session\_cache\_database = btree:${data\_directory}/smtpd\_scache  
> > smtp\_tls\_session\_cache\_database = btree:${data\_directory}/smtp\_scache  
> > smtpd\_tls\_loglevel = 1
> > 
> > I misspoke earlier. It’s been so long since I did this. Ciphermail comes  
> > bundled with Tomcat and it runs on port 8888 if I’m not mistaking. So, if  
> > you want to utilize Apache instead, you have to install mod\_proxy\_ajp  
> > module in Apache and setup an apache config like below:
> > 
> > ProxyPass /djigzo [http://localhost:8888/djigzo](http://localhost:8888/djigzo)  
> > ProxyPassReverse /djigzo [http://localhost:8888/djigzo](http://localhost:8888/djigzo)  
> > ProxyPass /web [http://localhost:8888/web](http://localhost:8888/web)  
> > ProxyPassReverse /web [http://localhost:8888/web](http://localhost:8888/web)  
> > ProxyTimeout 3600
> > 
> > Changing the port has to be done within apache. So, if you want to use  
> > 443, you must of course install mod\_ssl on apache, as well as certificate.  
> > I have a complete Apache config file if you want, let me know and I’ll post  
> > the relevant parts.
> > 
> > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:s  
> > ignaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>]  
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:42 PM  
> > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<  
> > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\<mailto:din  
> > o.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\>\>\>  
> > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users  
> > @lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>  
> > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Okay I will try that. I am also noticing that mxtoolbox states this server  
> > isn't configured for TLS? I do not see any settings under interface for  
> > this. Is this set on postfix main.cf\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<  
> > [http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\>\<[http://main.cf](http://main.cf)\> file manually?
> > 
> > Also if I wanted to remove the port or change the port to a default 443 do  
> > I need to do this within apache, or does the GUI do the config itself?
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:37 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users  
> > @lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > I’m guessing sendmail got installed by accident or as part of something  
> > else. Not sure. I would either uninstall sendmail or change its port number  
> > if it’s absolutely necessary, although it doesn’t seem like that’s the case.
> > 
> > Since the Web GUI runs on a different port, you can set whatever hostname  
> > you want in ciphermail as long as that hostname is resolvable by the  
> > outside world and as long as the back-end webserver (apache I assume) is  
> > configured to answer on that port. So, if you want the web portal to be  
> > [https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/](https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/) in ciphermail under settings --\> portal
> > 
> > è Base URL you set it as follows:
> > 
> > [https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/web/portal/](https://webportal.domain.tld:8443/web/portal/)
> > 
> > From: Paul Bronson [mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:s  
> > ignaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:signa  
> > ldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:signal  
> > developer(a)gmail.com\>\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\<mailto:signaldeveloper(a)[gmail.com](http://gmail.com)\<mailto:  
> > signaldeveloper(a)gmail.com\>\>\>\>\>]  
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 2:13 PM  
> > To: Dino Edwards \<dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<  
> > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\<mailto:din  
> > o.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<  
> > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\<mailto:dino  
> > .edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \>\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:dino.edwards@  
> > mydirectmail.net\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<mailto:  
> > dino.edwards(a)mydirectmail.net\>\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\<  
> > mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)  
> > \<mailto:dino.edwards(a)[mydirectmail.net](http://mydirectmail.net)\>\>\>\>\>\>  
> > Cc: users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users  
> > @lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>  
> > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > Hi Dino,
> > 
> > Wonder why sendmail keeps trying to start then.. Odd.
> > 
> > I'd really like to set the web portal to a different address versus the  
> > HELO name I meant, sorry.
> > 
> > Paul
> > 
> > On Mon, Jun 26, 2017 at 2:02 PM, Dino Edwards via Users \<  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users  
> > @lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users  
> > @lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \>\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:use  
> > rs(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:us  
> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:  
> > You don't need both. One or the other, although Postfix is recommended.
> > 
> > Different site, meaning different server?
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----  
> > From: Users [mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-  
> > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
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> > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-  
> > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
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> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<  
> > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-  
> > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
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> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<  
> > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-  
> > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
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> > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-  
> > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\<  
> > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-  
> > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)lists.  
> > djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\<  
> > mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:users-  
> > bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\<mailto:  
> > users-bounces(a)lists.djigzo.com\>\<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)  
> > \<mailto:users-bounces(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>] On Behalf Of Paul Bronson  
> > via Users  
> > Sent: Monday, June 26, 2017 1:57 PM  
> > To: Martijn Brinkers \<martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)  
> > \>\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:martijn@  
> > ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:marti  
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> > ijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\<mailto:ma  
> > rtijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:m  
> > artijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:  
> > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\<mailto:  
> > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:martijn@  
> > ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\>\<mailto:marti  
> > jn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:mart  
> > ijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\<mailto:ma  
> > rtijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:m  
> > artijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\>\>\>\>\<mailto:  
> > martijn(a)ciphermail.com\<mailto:martijn(a)[ciphermail.com](http://ciphermail.com)\>\<mailto:  
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> > Subject: Re: Servers wont talk to me!
> > 
> > IP Is not blacklisted, reverse DNS has been setup also.
> > 
> > For some reason sendmail and postfix are using the same port? Do I need  
> > both?
> > 
> > I would also like to set the web portal to a different site versus the  
> > hostname.
> > 
> > On Fri, Jun 23, 2017 at 3:15 AM, Martijn Brinkers via Users \<  
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> > ers(a)lists.djigzo.com\<mailto:users(a)[lists.djigzo.com](http://lists.djigzo.com)\>\>\>\>\>\>\> wrote:
> > 
> > \> On 06/22/2017 10:32 PM, Paul Bronson via Users wrote:  
> > \> \> Okay here is what I have.. Still not sure what's wrong.  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/k0ysM)  
> > \> \> [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/QuyaO)  
> > \> \> [Imgur: The magic of the Internet](http://imgur.com/a/9pNyl)  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> I have the IP listed in my networks.  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> So my setup goes like this:  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> Incoming email \>\> firewall \>\> email server  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> Cipher mail is not used for incoming, but my outgoing setup is:  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> Outgoing email \>\> email server \>\> ciphermail server \>\> firewall \>\>  
> > \> internet  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> For some reason I think something is getting clogged up on CM  
> > \> \> server. I have the email server (postfix) setup with a relayhost, so  
> > \> \> it will  
> > \> forward  
> > \> \> all mails to the ciphermail server. The "locality" setting on my  
> > \> \> server  
> > \> is  
> > \> \> "external" - does this matter? It's behind our firewall and should  
> > \> \> only  
> > \> be  
> > \> \> sending mail off from our internal mail server.  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> I had it on in the morning and the others told me they are getting a  
> > \> \> lot  
> > \> of  
> > \> \> bouncebacks. I have a feeling this is because of the SFP records but  
> > \> \> I  
> > \> want  
> > \> \> to make sure the server is setup properly.  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> The OTP you helped me with works now also, thank you!  
> > \> \>  
> > \> \> Everything is inherited from global also.  
> > \>  
> > \> Once the email has been handled by the back-end (MPA), the email is  
> > \> handed over to the MTA (Postfix). The MTA is responsible for  
> > \> delivering the email. If the email is not delivered you should check  
> > \> the MTA logs to see why. There can be a number of reasons why the  
> > \> recipients mail server won't accept email: your IP address might be  
> > \> dynamic (i.e., some consumer type ISP), there is no IP reverse name  
> > \> for your IP address, the reverse IP name is not the same as the SMTP  
> > \> helo name. your IP might be black-listed.  
> > \>  
> > \> Solving this does not involve making changes in the CipherMail global  
> > \> settings. The only change in CipherMail that influences delivery is  
> > \> the MTA helo name.  
> > \>  
> > \> Could you sent some MTA logs showing which mails were not delivered?  
> > \>  
> > \> What is the IP address the CipherMail gateway is using?  
> > \>  
> > \> Kind regards,  
> > \>  
> > \> Martijn Brinkers  
> > \>  
> > \>  
> > \> --  
> > \> CipherMail email encryption  
> > \>  
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> > \>  
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> > \>  
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> > 
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> > Users mailing list  
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> > 
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> > Users mailing list  
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> > 
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> > 
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> > Users mailing list  
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> > 
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> > Users mailing list  
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